A rumored TDP boost for Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X may not be enough to increase lagging sales

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Recap: The newly released AMD Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X have garnered attention for their power efficiency and effective thermal management, debuting with a modest 65W TDP. However, the minimal performance gains over previous generations have drawn criticism, especially given their higher launch prices compared to the Ryzen 7000-series. Rumors now suggest that AMD might increase the TDP for these processors. If true, this change could enhance their performance, but will that be enough to boost their lagging sales?

AMD is reportedly planning to increase the Thermal Design Power (TDP) for two of its Zen 5 processors – the newly launched Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X – from 65W to 105W. This information comes from hardware leaker Chi11eddog on X, who says the change will occur in an upcoming AGESA 1.2.0.1a Patch A update. Because it has not been confirmed, the claim should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. But assuming it is accurate, there are several implications to consider.

For starters, the rumored TDP boost would improve multi-core performance, potentially making these processors more competitive against Intel's offerings, such as the 14th-gen Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs and the upcoming Arrow Lake series.

Indeed, the initial decision to reduce TDP to 65W for the 9000-series was seen by some as a regression in AMD's product lineup. Although the current 65W TDP is noted for its power efficiency, it has been at the cost of performance gains over previous generations.

Lower TDP typically results in lower sustained clock speeds, especially in multi-threaded workloads, hindering performance. However, with Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) enabled, the Ryzen 7 9700X has shown up to 13% faster performance in multi-threaded benchmarks like Cinebench 2024. PBO allows the processor to exceed its default power limits, drawing more power when thermal and power delivery conditions permit.

It is important to note that a higher TDP means these CPUs will generate more heat, which would require more robust cooling solutions. Users might need to upgrade their cooling systems to handle the increased thermal output.

Finally, it is conceivable, but unlikely, that a higher TDP could help improve these processors' sales, which have been lackluster at best. According to reports, only "over 20" units of the 9600X and "over 30" units of the 9700X have been sold at Mindfactory, a German retailer.

One significant reason could be that they are perceived as poor value for the money. Critics have said the new processors offer only a modest performance increase, around 5%, over their predecessors, leading to a meme referring to them as "Zen 5%."

Also, even though the processors have only been on the market for a few days, consumers might be waiting for the release of the 9000-series X3D CPUs, which feature 3D V-Cache technology.

However, the main issue with these processors is their cost. Although their launch prices are slightly lower than those of the Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X, they are still significantly more expensive than the current prices of these older models, which offer similar performance.

If the increase in TDP is meant to drive more sales, it will need to be accompanied by more competitive pricing and perhaps a more efficient marketing strategy as AMD needs to better differentiate these models from both their predecessors and competing products in the market.

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AMD needs to either drastically lower Zen 5's prices across the board to make them appealing to consumers, or throw them in the trash bin, focusing on Zen 6 going forward.
 
Na they just have to accept that it’s not a particularly needle moving product and just phase out Zen4 and lower Zen5 to Zen4 prices.

It’s practically a nothing burger, similar to when GPU makers just re-brand last gen stuff as latest gen.

See you all in 2 years for Zen 6! Intel might have clawed their way out of the pit by then (maybe).
 
Lower TDP is a good thing because you can overclock it more or use cheaper coolers and save on your electricity bill if you want to. AMD was pushing their TDP's up because Intel was. Now Intel is getting a bad wrap for it so AMD is using that to their advantage by beating Intel even more significantly in efficiency. The fact that the new generation of Ryzens doesn't have a huge performance gain out of the box is not as big a deal as some people are making it. If you want raise your TDP then overclock it. It seems like most motherboards make it very easy to overclock these days.
 
They are not going to do that, because it's already seen that PBO with 50W more power gives no performance and PBO with 150W more power gives 10% performance :(

it's a server processor with a fake desktop costume, this kind of processors don't like high frequency
 
If they do that they ll wipe out the main advantage of these processors .Moreover , tests have shown overclocking of them doesnt yield much just power draw skyrockets .
 
AMD needs to understand their components are only as good as the final build. I guess sales of any kind are necessary but for end users to become enthusiasts the final build needs to be impressive. Hopefully intel's up and coming GPU interface can use the AMD technology to it's fullest and builders can remember to keep the unit's cool in warm environments. My CPU/GPU AMD gaming laptop GPU crashes every time I load MS flight simulator on a HDMI connected 55 inch screen. Literally maybe can go 10minutes then crashes if not sooner. It was quite a disappointment.
 
They are not going to do that, because it's already seen that PBO with 50W more power gives no performance and PBO with 150W more power gives 10% performance :(

it's a server processor with a fake desktop costume, this kind of processors don't like high frequency

Steve is basically the only person on earth saying PBO does nothing. KitGuru and Tom's both showed good increases in productivity and KitGuru spent time tuning his PBO so it used same power as stock. On Linux these chips are performing vastly better.

Before writing off AMD, let's wait and see how bad Windows scheduler, AMDs drivers and agesa are working.

AMD would have gotten more slcak if the 9600/9700 had of launched without the X and $50 cheaper.

There is absolutely no reason earth PBO shouldn't make a difference.
 
Going Intel`s way, that`s great, AMD! Increase wattage to the limit and beyond, that would definitely work!
 
Lower TDP is a good thing because you can overclock it more or use cheaper coolers and save on your electricity bill if you want to. AMD was pushing their TDP's up because Intel was. Now Intel is getting a bad wrap for it so AMD is using that to their advantage by beating Intel even more significantly in efficiency. The fact that the new generation of Ryzens doesn't have a huge performance gain out of the box is not as big a deal as some people are making it. If you want raise your TDP then overclock it. It seems like most motherboards make it very easy to overclock these days.

I 100% agree on this. I would gladly choose 9000 series over 7000 series because of the TDP. I'm very comfortable with my 65w stock 5700X, but of course I would not buy it on launch and wait for price drops.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who was a little surprised that an X series processor was designed with less than 100W TDP.

Not really surprising, 3700X and 5700X are 65W, better efficiency compared to 1700X (95W) and 2700X (105W). The -800X is the one which usually has higher TDP.
 
I'm still using my Asus X-570 TUF Gaming board with an AMD 3700X, 32 Gigs of Ram and Nvidia 3600Ti. It does literally everything I want and need with its 8 cores and 16 threads. The latest gear may run marginally faster but I have learned to be content with really good performance like I currently have. 🤔🤷😏
 
and KitGuru spent time tuning his PBO so it used same power as stock.
that's good, but he didn't do the same for Zen 4, you do not compare apples to oranges.

but I give him points for running them all on the same RAM :)

still need to see:
1. how the latency problem is fixed
2. how to disable core parking
3. if the RAM problems are solved (this one should be at the top, because the other 2 don't cost you money)
 
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