Intel Stability Issues - The Story So Far

Is not a certain percentage of those cpu's failing and not just the whole batch?

No need to throw in a recall on a product of which only < 40% suffers from.

Intel runs like a legless racehorse.

They have now reached pre-Lisa Su AMD levels of fail.

This travesty can't possibly go on for much longer.

Been following the Intel drama articles here, keep up the good work!

Intel feels like AMD during the Bulldozer days. Their foundry has been lagging since 14nm and has never really caught up, and that's likely been leading to Intel pushing their designs harder and harder to try and keep up with AMDs performance, leading eventually to the issues that are now cropping up.

Intel might honestly be at the point where they need to sell off/dissolve their foundry division (as AMD did a decade ago) and focus *just* on their core CPU designs.

I like foxes said:

Intel will accept select processors for RMA - 13600K(F) and 14600K(F) and upwards . So , 13400 is not eligible for this .

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13400 has Alder Lake cores, not Raptor Lake, so is unaffected. Same for 14400 and Core i3 models.

Thanks for the update and continued investigation, Steve.

How will TechSpot / HUB handle Zen5 reviews in terms of comparative performance vs. Intel parts? Do 13th and 14th gen get omitted because of the degradation and uncertainty with the impact of the microcode or other “fixes” (assuming the root defect can be fixed)? If so, do you compare against the Intel 12th gen parts by default, as they are the last Intel design without a major defect (that we know of)?

This whole saga brings big question: Why Techspot didn't say basically anything about Raptor Lake reliability Before these issues came public? Surely supplying 1.7V for modern CPU while consuming 253 watts continuously cannot be problem? No, Intel says it's OK so it must be OK!

Lesson: Manufacturer promises are worth nothing. If you suspect there might be problems, say it. You are professionals. Speculate if not sure. But do not just "trust" manufacturer empty promises. Sad truth is that many amateurs warned about this but basically all "professionals" just trusted Intel.

LetTheWookieWin said:

Thanks for the update and continued investigation, Steve.

How will TechSpot / HUB handle Zen5 reviews in terms of comparative performance vs. Intel parts? Do 13th and 14th gen get omitted because of the degradation and uncertainty with the impact of the microcode or other “fixes” (assuming the root defect can be fixed)? If so, do you compare against the Intel 12th gen parts by default, as they are the last Intel design without a major defect (that we know of)?

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From article:

We will continue to benchmark and include 13th and 14th-gen processors in our reviews, using the Intel Extreme profile, but we won't be recommending them. The next step for us will be to re-test all those Intel CPUs once the microcode fix is released in a week or two (hopefully), and at that point, we will have to re-evaluate the situation.

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HardReset said:

From article:

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Thanks for quoting that, I missed that in the initial read of the article.

Steve from Gamer Nexus have videos with extensive details about these issues with Intel cpus.

I would say this is not a 100% issue; I doubt I'm the only one whose 13th gen i7 has had no crashing/stability issues.

loki1944 said:

I would say this is not a 100% issue; I doubt I'm the only one whose 13th gen i7 has had no crashing/stability issues.

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Two identical CPUs do not exist. Very probably your CPU have this problem. Just not yet. Different CPU, different durability.

So all the money they have saved from "chopping woods" will be spent to deal with this issue/crisis. I call it karma when you don't treat your employees well and take your customers for granted xD

A regulator needs to step in, investigate, and (likely outcome based on the reporting) force Intel to do a recall or issue refunds. Wouldn't hurt to put sanctions of some sort in place for their misbehavior. A faulty product can be mass produced, but a company's response to that mistake is telling and should be judged. In this case, Intel isn't owning its mistake, and its executives should be held responsible for that.

HardReset said:

Two identical CPUs do not exist. Very probably your CPU have this problem. Just not yet. Different CPU, different durability.

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been well over 15 months in use at this point; I've had a Phenom X4 965 die in half that amount of time.

Intel has been dying a very slow death for years. But I take issue with the claim that Intel is “needed” for competition. AMD is not fighting Intel, they’re fighting ARM production.
RISC never disappeared. It’s always been in the background. From Power to ARM.

It’s time for Intel to hang up its x86 line. They haven’t been competitive in a VERY long time.

The "out of video memory" error is related to a crash on Oodle, a think it's a texture compression/decompression component of Unreal engine (I'm not sure which game engine...), so it affects most of the games that use this engine.

Something about the Oodle instructions using similar instructions of a compression tool that when you try to run on affected Intel 13/14 CPUs it crashes from the start.

Steve Burke from Game Nexus on youtube have some in deph videos about this and the other stability issues plaguing these 13/14 cpus.

Legend has it, AMD is the one looking through the rearview mirror at INTEL.

(Objects are hotter than they appear)